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 Skipping a days feeding. 
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Cockerel
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Joined: June 19th, 2010, 11:42 am
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Post Re: Skipping a days feeding.
Peacombe,
Most birds process food much the same way most carnivorous and omnivorous animals do save for two major differences. Most birds have crops (chickens do) that store ingesta (what has been consumed) and releases ingesta in a metered / controlled rate to the gizzard (a structure I am sure you have delt with before) which is the second unique component. The gizzard, with the help of hard particulates (i.e. pebbles, grit, oyster- shell) triturates (physically breaks up ingesta) like a mammals teeth does. Thus sequence is different. There after sequence / processes very similar although birds process digesta faster than mammals of a similar size since former typically have a higher energy demand.

I consider chickens to be omnivores that include grains, fruits and small terrestrial invertebrates in their diet. Chicks come closest to being carnivores in being insectivores if given their preference. Chickens do not make cut for being carnivores mostly because that do not feed almost exclusively on proportionally large prey items that require appropriately designed food processing for such items that are largely meat. Digesting meat is simple. Chickens are setup even better than we are to handle high fiber / plant diets as adults.

I consider chickens (under normal conditions) to be continuous feeders from shortly after leaving roost until about 4 hours after returning to roost. Despite birds feeding only in bouts (periods where feed intake through mouth), which are most obvious in early morning and late in afternoon, the crop enables a nearly continuous flow of ingesta for extraction of nutrients just as if bird were feeding in small amounts throughout day and about 4 hours into night.

Most continuous feeding animals studied do not benefit from periods of food deprivation, at least other than those events occurring every night during early morning hours.

Some of benefits many carnivores gain from extended periods of deprivation are that it allows removing mass (in gut) that does not facilitate prey capture. Another very important factor is associated with energetic cost of stalking, subduing and sometimes dismembering prey. Processing (digesting and assimilating) nutrients requires a substantial amount of energy that may otherwise
be required to secure next meal. Usually feeding on even the most evasive grasshopper usually does not require tapping into energy reserves directed towards processing the chicken’s previous meal. Have do your dogs hunt with a full belly?

In respect to you observations about feeding following a day off feed I suggest you try the following if you have a few birds to play with. Skip feeding for half and feed other half as normal on Sunday. Monday, weigh out more than twice as much feed you know the birds will consume and let them eat all they want during the course of the day. Weigh what is left in bowl and record. If your birds like mine you to have find way to keep them spilling. For shits and giggles, repeat weighing process the following day. This makes assumptions birds all about same size / weight / age and stage in molt cycle. You will be able to answer question yourself from this. I predict you will see what is called compensatory feeding.

By the way, when I eat a 2 lb. bag of cherries including the seeds, approximately 18 hours following the meal seeds start clunking on porcelain of crapper and stop usually by the crapper stop 36 hours after the cherry meal. Most of time mostly meat meals take longer and sometimes high fiber meals (especially something like baby ear corn) come a running in your 12 hour time frame or less. TMI?


July 2nd, 2010, 3:37 pm
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New Egg
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Joined: June 5th, 2010, 6:40 pm
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Post Re: Skipping a days feeding.
Peacombe wrote:
The reason I started this thread is because I miss a day once a week with my hunting dogs and wanted to know would fowl get the same benifits.
In the case of a dog it takes nearly 24 hours for him to fully digest his food. As a result his digestive system would never get a rest unless a day was missed. Carnivores in the wild don't eat every day.
Humans on the other hand pass food through their system quiet quickly. Hence we're always hungry. I think I read somewhere once that bananas take the longest for us to digest, 11 hours I think (although I could be wrong).
Now I realise that the way a bird breaks down and digests his food is completely different to the way us humans and dogs do it. But I wondered do their digestive system need a rest. Remember fowl are quiet carnivourous in their diet and birds of prey do not eat every day either.
Last Sunday I took Finches advise and skipped a day. On Monday morning when feeding I didn't find birds extra hungry nor had they drank extra water. They just went about their usual buisness.
And with the extra scratching they would have done in their straw I could only see it be of benifit to them.
Have to agree, financial savings shouldn't be a reason for skipping on food. With that frame of mind I think people would be looking for inferior food too.
There's no short cuts IMO with these birds.
peacombe what does IMO stand for
silver


July 3rd, 2010, 9:01 am
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Cockerel
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IMO=In My opinion ^^

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July 3rd, 2010, 9:05 am
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New Egg
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Post Re: Skipping a days feeding.
thanks cockmistress
silver


July 3rd, 2010, 9:28 am
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Chick
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Joined: May 24th, 2010, 8:52 am
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Post Re: Skipping a days feeding.
Thank you Centrarchid. A very infomative post that answers my question.
I agree that fowl are omnivourous but when free range insects do make up a lot of the diet and in some climates mice and reptiles are also eaten. I feed raw mince once or twice a week and to see how beserk they go to get it shows how much meat means to them.
But your post has said it all and I shant be missing a days feeding.


July 3rd, 2010, 11:32 am
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Cockerel
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Joined: June 19th, 2010, 11:42 am
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Post Re: Skipping a days feeding.
Peacombe,

Something that might be interesting to try is feeding freshly killed and minced bait minnows. The birds will likely come to consider such a meal very highly. I am trying to find such treat that will motivate short flights to be photographed. A risk is some parasites fresh fish may carry. Besides that it is likely that the minnows will provide a healthier diet in respect to the types of fat.

Many of your formulated poultry feeds are based in part on fish meal so such a feed would not be totally alien.

centrarchid


July 3rd, 2010, 3:29 pm
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