By: J.D Perry
Lum Gilmore got a cock from Ted McClean it was a small stationed cock ran around Gilmore place for sometime and there were no hens with him. He was said to be a hard hitter, and when cockers stooped by they sparred him to show how hard he could hit. When sparred or exerted in any way he turned blue in the face, hence the name blue face. Sweater McGinnis was around Gilmore`s place at Bay City, TX at the time, he finally brought over one of his Madigin regular grey hens as company for the cock. Some stags and pullets were raised from that mating. Sometime before that two hens were stolen from Hatch on Long Island and given to Sweater. And not long after that Sweater was inducted into the service. He put the two hatch hens with E.W. Law to keep for him until he returned, when he got out, he immediately got in touch with Law to get the hens.Law told him one had died ,but he sent Sweater the other one. One of the 1/2 grey 1/2 blue face cock was bred to the stolen Hatch hen and the progeny of that mating were known as the blue face fowl.
The following is told by Harry Parr whom Ted McLean gave all of his fowl. In the spring of 1949, Ted Mclean had two beautifully bred "straight" (being McLean Hatch) stags, one of which he wanted to breed. They were full brothers, well made, green legged, weighted about 4:10, and you could not have told them apart except one was a roundhead. His wing clip was 40-90; the square comb, 48-96. Ted decided to heel them up and fight them which they did in his pit in the barn. The square comb proved to be the better fighter and cutter, and when he blinded the roundhead, Ted said he had seen enough to cut the head off the roundhead. Well Harry had handled the roundhead and when he was on his hands he could tell all the roundhead wanted to do was get at the other stag. After being pitted, he would search and as soon as contact was made, explode. so Harry said he would take him home and see what he could do. After a couple of weeks he regained the sight of one eye and was soon back in good health. He bred this stag two years and one day Ted asked Harry if he would mind sending him to Lun Gilmore. Lun wanted a cock and at the time, Ted did not have a really good one to spare. Harry shipped the cock and later learned that Lun and Pete Frost bred him to a hen that Ted had previously given to Pete. The hen was 47-65, by Green Leg cock number 2, the "straight" stuff out of hen number 81 which was a Morgan Whitehackle from Heinie Mathesius (none of the "straight" stuff on the hen side ever got out) Prior to this Ted had given Pete Frost, Green Leg cock number 53 which became the sire of the "Frost Cherries" They had also bred this cock to hen 47-65 and sent Harry and Ted a stag from that mating, which was called , after Lun, the "Alligator Cock" Sweater McGinnis was involved in their fighting activities at this time, and it was from these three birds that the Blueface emerged. (Hen 47-65, Cock 53, Cock 48-90) The next time Harry saw Sweater was January 1958 in Orlando. He told Harry, these "Blue Face" were the gamest chickens he had ever seen and that he kept the seed stock pure just make battle crosses. He asked Harry if he would let him have another cock and Harry sent him cock 57-340 (Harry was fortunate to get this cock back after Sweaters death thanks to Willis Holking) He also told Harry not to worry, that he didn't let the "straight" one go but they all fought under the name of "Blue Face" At the time, his favorite were one quarter Blue face, one quarter Regular Grey and one half Leiper, bred in various combinations. Like all of them, Willis experimented with many crosses and blend in an effort to produce superior battle cocks but recognized the value of keeping the seed stock pure.
Here's an article by Art Hefner written on the April issue of the Gamecock 1985. "I have read several articals about the BLUEFACE containing CHET blood. About 1956 or 1957 I was visiting at Pineville Farms with Big Red Sweater McGinnis and naturally, we were only talking chickens. On this particular day Big Red Sweater was in a wonderful mood. On asking why he was so jolly, he told me he got one of his pure Blueface cocks off a walk, of which they had walks by the hundreds. this particular Blueface weighed slightly over 4-08 pound. Sweater was elated. This was the biggest, pure Blueface he had raised in years. So you see, they were intensely inbreed. I asked him if the cocks weren't any larger, how small were the pure hens? He got a bucket of feed an called the chickens up. He showed me two hens and told me they were the purest and only two of the pure. And if they had showed up on my yard unknowingly, I would have killed them, never expecting to see anything like them as Blueface. They may have weighed 2 or 2 1/2 pounds. And behold! they were black with brown spots on their breast. Like a Sebright Bantam, with legs a couple of inches long. He never told me what kind of black blood was in them, but by their color, they were heavy in some kind. Ever what kind, they were the hardest hitting cocks I've ever seen. Nearly ever successful cockfighter and breeder today has some of this blood. But most have only a small amount. As to the pure, there was precious few let out, (Including me). When breeders have "pure" Blueface cocks that go 6 pounds, or even 5 pounds, they can do more with them than the old master breeder, himself, could do. Later I'll tell more about this. This article was not written to create any controversy. Just telling you the facts as it was told to me by one of the GREATEST BREEDERS and cockfighters of our times. I was proud and honored to know this man personally. SO BE IT.
by Lou Elliott(1977)
For you folks who never knew Sweater, a brief background sketch might be of interest. He was born southwest of Oklahoma City near Chickasha about 1905. For much of his early life, he stayed with his uncle, Dave Lane, a druggist in Oklahoma City. Dave Lane was one of the best of the old time chicken fighters. In the early 1920's while Sweater was still a teenager, he handled a main of cocks from Frank Perry and Sap Barrett against the legendary Henry Wortham - and won with his last four cocks to win the main. This was at the old Shell Creek Pit near Sand Springs, Oklahoma. Sweater was a professional cocker in every sense of the word. Except for a short hitch in the military service in World War II, he spent his lifetime working with game fowl. He was in great demand as a feeder and handler, and he spent considerable time with John Madigan, Walter Kelso, Jack Walton, etc. With his conditioning method, he could build stronger thighs on a cock than any feeder I ever knew - they would be as hard and big around as the average man's wrist. They were so strong that his cocks frequently broke their own legs. As a handler, Sweater never missed a trick, legal or otherwise. It is fitting that he died in the pit with a gamecock in his arm - at the Boxwood Pit in Virginia on 19 December 1959. Sweater had hundreds of chickens raised for him each year but until he moved to North Carolina in 1954 to work for Percy Flowers at Pineville Farms, none of them were specifically called the Blueface family. That is, no particular combination of bloodlines could be pointed out as Blueface to the exclusion of all others. They were all simply referred to as McGinnis Reds or Grays, depending on the color. Sweater never advertised his fowl, didn't like to sell them and almost never did, but he gave most of them away. His usual breeding method was to place a cock and six hens on a farm walk where they could reproduce freely. In the fall, Sweater would pick up what stags he wanted and tell the farmer to eat the rest of them. Thus a great deal of Sweater's stock was available to anyone who knew where he walked his fowl. Many so-called Blueface families today are based on fowl obtained from these farm walks and contain not a touch of the McLean hatch usually associated with the name Blueface. The bloodlines that Sweater used in various combinations and which appear in some of the modern Blueface lines include the Madigan Texas Rangers, which I believe are primarily the old Joe Wingate Brown Reds. When Sweater was in charge of Madigan's brood yards in Houston in the late 1930's, a great many of the cocks and hens were carrying a fourth or more of this Texas Ranger breeding. When Madigan died in 1942, Kelso and Japhet inherited his fowl which were all shipped to Kelso's place in Galveston. Sweater set up the various brood yards and Kelso and Japhet alternated in choosing which ones they wanted. But Kelso didn't like the Clarets not to mention the Rangers - so Sweater took what he wanted of those. Sometime later, Sweater decided he needed more speed in his fowl and someone sold him a family of Three Spurs from Washington State. These cocks had a normal spur plus a rudimentary spur above and below it. I know of at least one modern family of Blueface that show this trait and some of the cocks cannot be heeled properly until these small spurs are clipped off. I understand the black Sumatra Jungle Fowl and their descendants have this odd spur formation. Sweater fought a lot of the Sam Bigham fowl - a Marsh Butcher/Claret cross. This is one of the sources for the rare white leg that shows up in some Blueface. He also had some Kearney stock he got from up North. A particular favorite of Sweater's was his Jim Thompson Mahoganies, as bred by Bob Lang of Long Island, New York. Sweater called these Thompsons his secret weapon and left them in oklahoma when he went ot North Carolina. He didn't know how the deal with Percy Flowers would work out, and he was hedging his bets by leaving the Thompsons and several other yards of his "seed stock" with friends he trusted. He left some of his McLean speed stock with an old Okie friend in Arizona and most of the Thompsons with Billy "The Barber" Atchley of Oklahoma City, who in turn supplied Sweater with some really good Butcher fowl. After Sweater died, the brood yards he left at Pineville deteriorated and much of the reason could be a lack of access to these Oklahoma seed stock fowl. In addition to these red fowl, Sweater raised a lot of grays - primarily Madigin Regular Grays but also some from Frost and Kelso. These were frequently combined with various red fowl, and the resulting offspring were either McGinnis Reds or McGinnis Grays even though they were full brothers but different colors. I have a picture I made of a full plumaged gray cock in 1949 while visiting Sweater and Lun Gilmore at Jack Walton's place in Dallas. Sweater told me that all his battle cocks that year were carrying some of this cock's bloodlines. Incidentally, note that this is Lun, not Lum Gilmore, which is the way it is normally spelled. Much of the material this article is based on came out of that meeting. I believe that Gilmore was Jack Walton's brother-in-law and I will discuss his role in the Blueface story later on. Until now, I haven't discussed the "real" Blueface. The fowl I have mentioned in the previous paragraphs do appear in many of the modern Blueface lines, but Sweater wouldn't have considered them the real thing. To properly describe the evolution of the Blueface, I first have to establish the historical perspective. To do this, I have to mention two other profesional cockers: J.D. Perry of Oklahoma City and the inimitable Max Thaggard who is still pitting them around Guthrie, Oklahoma. In the early 1940's, the team of J.D. Perry and Karl Bashara was the "class" entry at all the Oklahoma Pit's. Karl's Shufflers and J.D.'s ability as a feeder and handler made a combination that was hard to beat. When C.C. Cooke of Oklahoma City bought "all" of the Sandy Hatch fowl for $2,500 and then joined forces with E.W. Law in Florida, they hired J.D. to run their show. J.D. crossed Cooke's Hatch with Law's Clarets to make the now famous Hatch-Clarets that revolutionized long heel cocking. "Power/Speed Blends" became a household word - at least in the cockhouse. About the same time, Max Thaggard bred an old one-eyed Frost Gray cock (that Bobby Manziel had given him) over some brown red hens. The resulting offspring became the "Vibrators," the greatest infighters (cutting to the breast) that I or most likely any man ever saw. For a too brief period, they were unstoppable. After losing all too many fights to the Hatch-Clarets and those speckle-bellied Vibrators, Sweater started out to go them one better. He came up with the bright idea of combining the Hatch-Claret type fowl with the Gray-Brown Reds and beat everybody. Sweater's friend Lun Gilmore had a sickly looking, pale headed old buff hen that normally would have been killed, but she was supposed to be one of the very few good Hatch chickens to ever leave Ted McLean's place. Presumably she was carrying some Morgan Whitehackle breeding, as many of the McLean fowl did, because on rare occasions she would produce some spangled looking offspring. However the Jim Thompson fowl on which the original Hatch were based also produce about 10 percent spangles and sometimes even a pure white. In fact I have seen White Hatch fowl that their breeder was reluctant to claim as Hatch for fear others would accuse him of poor record keeping. Lun may have got this hen from Pete Frost but they both shared her so to speak. Frost got McLean to send them a Hatch cock to mate to this old hen. McLean owed Frost a favor but he wasn't too happy to see his bloodlines scattered around. So he sent them a cock all right - a little 4:02 blinker peacomb bird he intended to kill anyway. When this little runty little cock was sparred, he really put on a show. He could hit as hard as a shake. These south Texas boys were used to seeing the shotgun type cocks, and one that that could hit so hard was something new. They bred him to the old pale headed hen just to see what the pair would produce. That first year they raised about 20 chicks and fought the stags with mediocre success. One of the few that won was rattled and would turn dark in the face when he was sparred. Sweater took this "Old Blueface" cock to breed to some hens he liked that were a mixture of Madigan Gray and Leiper Hatch. Thus was started the first attempt to breed a family of Blueface, although they were not really called by that name. It was that first old pale headed hen that really started things. It so happened that most of her chicks also showed that sickly pale face. Somebody told Sweater that the old hen was a disease carrier (Leukosis) and that he ought to kill her and all her offspring. Sweater didn't like those "damned blue faced chickens" but he wasn't ready to give up on them. They all had well rounded bodies and felt good in his hands, they just looked pale - even the cocks in good condition. Sweater took some of the "damned blue faced chickens" to the poultry experts at Texas A&M College to see what was wrong. After some tests, they told him the chickens were perfectly healthy. The pale head was caused by an inherited genetic abnormality. To get rid of it, Sweater would have to raise a lot of young stock and keep the red faced ones for his future brood stock. That year, Sweater and his friends hatched over 500 chickens from the old hen and her daughters. They only produced two red faced pullets - no stags. When J.D. Perry left Cooke's employ in 1948 to go to work for G.A.C. Halff at Quien Sabe Ranch near San Antonio, he took the best of the Hatch fowl with him. These Hatch were primarily the Jim Thompson/J.W.E. Clarke/Kearney bloodlines with an added touch of this and that. The McLean fowl were the same basic bloodlines but showed less of the yellow leg breeding. The pea combs came from the old Boston Roundhead that was in the Duryea fowl which appears in the pedigrees of both Clarke and Kearney families. The Kearney stock at that time was a combination of his Irish Brown Reds and Whitehackles, plus the Duryea and Joe Wingate stock. So this was the source of the green legs. At any rate, Sweater and J.D. traded some Hatch fowl, and in 1958, J.D. was advertising Blueface for sale. The pure McLeans were comparatively slow, single stroke, ground fighters. They had the suicidal tendency of sticking their necks out while reaching for a billhold. A cock like that just doesn't win many fights in first class long heel competition. So Sweater tried various crosses with those "damned blue face chickens." Most of the crosses produced just average fighting cocks. A few showed promise but wouldn't pass their good qualities onto the next generation. The one cross he tried though that seemed to add just the edge he was looking for was with Karl Bashara's Shufflers. He also got some Brown Reds from "old Man" Starnes of Konowa, Oklahoma. I had always heard this was and old Irish family of Brown Reds but my buddy for 40 years - Old Lunch Money, himself - recently published an article quoting Mr. Starnes as saying his fowl were just the Bashara Shufflers with a touch of Madigan Gray. Sweater also got the D.H. Pierce Wisconsin Red Shufflers from various other breeders. By trying out many different combinations, he developed just the right combination of Hatch/Shuffler and his other bloodlines that he could win with. And win he did. He set a fantastic record in the five short years he was working for Percy Flowers in North Carolina. In 1957, he entered the Lally Memorial Stag Derby in Pennsylvania. This was the premier short heel (1-1/4" gaffs) event of each year. This was the first time Sweater ever conditioned cocks for a short heel event and the first time he ever conditioned a full show of stags for a major event. (None of the major pits in the south ever scheduled stag derbies or touranments. So Sweater had always fought two year old cocks.) He won nine, lost one to take first money. The one loss was to a Jim Thompson stag owned by Bob Lang, who was responsible for one of Sweater's seed stock lines. The short heel men said the 1957 win was a fluke and that Sweater wouldn't have a chance next time. So he entered the Lally in 1958 and won it by the same identical score, nine wins and one loss. Now the boys were convinced that this Okie was pretty foxy so they decided to keep their and not enter the event in 1959. The pit management finally got an entry list together though, and sure enough Sweater didn't win this time - he only took second with eight wins and two losses. As a final tribute to a real "chickenman" I can think of nothing more appropiate than the words "Spectator" used in describing Sweater's stags at the 1957 Lally Memorial Derby. Remember that these stags were the direct descendants of those "damned blue faced chickens" produced by a sickly face, pale headed old hen and a runty little 4:02 cock that had been destined for the chopping block. "The best the north and the east could produce was lined up against them, and they made a runaway of the show. They were fast, terrific bucklers, hard hitters, good cutters, aggressive finishers. Their legs reached out a mile with every stroke, they delivered their blows with a snap, and usually every punch landed where it counted. The only fight they lost was a quick one shot affair to the brain in the first few seconds, which sort of thing can and will happen to everybody who is meeting top grade fowl." (written by Spectator, 1957).
by Gus Firthiof, Sr. (1977)
I read with interest "The Blue Face Story" by Lou Elliott. Someone has misinformed him about some of the data contained in the article. Here is an example: Madigin's Texas Rangers did not contain any of the Joe Wingate brown Red blood. The Rangers do not come Brown Red, but dark black-reds with an iridescent green sheen and luster to the feathers on their backs when the sun shines on them. The hens are some crow black, some crow black with dark reddish hackles. All dark legs, all 100% straight combs. Sweater McGinnis never was in charge of any brood yards of Col. Madigin's at Houston, Texas because Madigin did not breed any of his fowl there. His fowl were raised in Canada, at Niagara Farm, where he had caretakers to look after them the year 'round. After over 35 years of research I hvae come to the conclusion that the Duryea Whitehackles did not contain any Boston Roundhead blood. Many of the Duryea cocks are golden yellow birchen in color, with yellow legs.
ED GARRARD HATCH, The Feathered Warrior, July 1999 by Carl Saia aka "The Breeder"
This family is known by many other names, such as Biloxi Hatch, Spangle Hatch, Speck Hatch, Little Ed's, and originally they were called McLeans, by some, including me. This family, according to Ed, traced back to a spangle McLean Hatch, that was bred and fought by Harold Brown at the old Biloxi Pit. Harold fought this cock, a three time winner, the cock was beaten and looked to be dead. So Harold threw him on the dead pile. Later on Ed walked by, saw the cock was still living, picked him up, took him to the cock house, gave him penicillin tablet. Next morning, the cock could not stand, but he would show against another cock. That evening the cock was standing and trying to crow, so Ed took him home. At this time, most of the Garrard fowl were based on Harold's Red Fox Fowl. I do know Ed bred this cock to a Morgan Whitehackle hen that he got from Frank Hooks. I had a half Kelso, half Judge Lacy hen that Walter Kelso sent to my partner David Harding for the use of one of our Judge Lacy brood cock on three separate occasions (cock always was returned). Ed saw this old hen, and decided he wanted to breed the spangle Biloxi cock to this hen. The progeny produced some excellent pit fowl, and was almost set as a family. Later on Ed called me to come over and see a 22 time pit winner he had borrowed from that "great Hawaiian cocker Mr. Lee". This cock Ed called an Aseel, I believe he was an Aseel cross, according to his feathers. Ed asked me to pick out some hens to mate to this cock as he had to return him to Mr. Lee. I selected several hens, (I believe 4) that were out of the Biloxi cock, and put them in that Aseel's pen. After about a week or so, Ed started saving eggs when he was certain all the hens were fertile to the Aseel cross cock. Ed had me set the eggs of this cross and I hatched off some 30 odd chicks. Ed told me to keep a few and give him the rest, that gave me some of the fowl, I was now calling them Biloxi, along with Ed. In 1970 Col. Victor Lee Chun visited Ed's home, it was there I met Mr. Lee's grandson, one very fine gentleman. Several years ago, Col. Chun visited my home, and told me that the Aseel cock only received one cut in all of his fights and that he had the honor of sewing up that great cock after he had won his 22nd fight, and then was retired. The color of the Garrard fowl can be varied from one breeder to another. Some can be straight comb, others look like dark leg Roundheads. The cocks will stand out in any group, as they are tall, long legged fowl. Colors of this family can range for cock, from black breasted reds, some of these have white specks in the breast, and on other parts of the body. Most of the leg color is green or dark legged, lots of them look like long legged Lacy Roundheads. The hens have many color variations from dark spangle to a wheaten color, with green or dark legs and a Roundhead type of body.
Lun Gilmore was a cocker and a good friens of ben ford,they fought birds with and agianst each other for over 60 years..lun gilmore accired his birds direct from sanford hatch and mike kearny ...when mike crossed the kearny brown reds on the hatch birds they were awsome as any ever bred til this day...sanford wanted to breed em back to the yellow legged side but mike insisted on breedin them one more time to the brown red side and produced them to fight.fight they did and won some derbies against everyone at that time,he wanted to breed a cock of his fathers breeding which was the kerany whitehackle to the sanford ,kerany,kerany breedings- from this breeding he had 17 black birds with white specs in them and over 40 brownred lookin birds,,he then crossed these back on the brown reds-having the kearny white hackle in them and hatch blood they came all dark fowl with green leggs-mike give lun glimore 6 hens and one dark red cock to breed over them=this was the origination of the gilmore hatch fowl -and the ben ford fowl-these birds was given and sold to gilmore from mr hatch and mike kearny...it did kearny mike s fathers blood -mike kearny sr white hackle blood in them and still till this day they will come spangle or dark ...!the next breeding that was the brown red and kearny out and out became the 42 hatch that jd perry dominated with-same fowl from same people except did not have the kearny white hackle in them...but mostly yellow leg ,and the black leggs made em all come od green legged.......believe it or not.....i knew collonel givens for over 40 years and he got his from lun gilmore in the early 40s and also got some of mike kearny jrs white hackles that was dark red and spangled.....and fought the kearny white hackle crosses at sunset and all over north alabama.....collenol givens and jimmy east were the handlers for john ovilan fowler from huntsville ala.when john fowler died jimmy kept has hatch birds and collenol givens kept the white hackles.....so the gilmores are 1/4 kearny whirte hackle-1/4 hatch- 1/2 brown red bred back to the 1/2 hatch 1/2 brown red and kept that way until he passed on- - - - still til this day all gilmores will throw a spangle every other year or so....depends on how there bred and where ya got them- - - so there is your facts- believe it or not- - - but if ya didnt get em from gilmore there yours MR KELSO* MADDIGAN*LAW*KEARNY*MORGAN* O 'CONNOR....there your birds- heres ya sign.......! before i forget...the mike kearny brown reds and the sanford duryeas crossed were very good fowl and after they bred em back makin the 42s the breeding back to the p combed hatch side was the ones they gave Ted McClain, and Thodore Mc Lean two seperate men...and the ones that were 3/4 hatch-duryeas and 1/4 kearny were the left nose hatch of the late Sweater Mc Guiness....Marvin anderson was in ww! with sanford hatch and become friensds in 1910 were they fought in north alabama in long heel mains which was all new to the short heelers....marvin s father had the Kelcy patts from ireland and sanford hatch fell in love with the long heel roosters....sanford gave birds to marvin untill his death,and marvin gave the patties to sanford upon any request of these men....and they whipped all round head fowl those days. which was dominating the early years....judge lacy was makin a statement at this time and was winning more than average in alabama and at the agusta tounaments.....the Kelcy Pattswere brought from ireland by marvins grandfather well before the civil war......no one knew there originality.... strait combed,lemon hackled,bigg thighs and wide backs and spangles came dark red with lemon around the bottom of the shaw.......the photographs are all black n white.....marvin lost them over the years do to hawks and eagles in the mountain areas of north east alabama....he owned the ranburne pit which was shut down in 73 due to his health........... Lun Gilmore was the insperation of establishing the hatch name in the south,tTed mclain routed the hatch name when he was dominating with the hatch fowl,sweater came famous in the mid section of the country,jd perry and blondy roland,harold brown ,ben ford,frank steel ,and curtis blacwell made the hatch name in the south east......the fowl that gilmore aquired were theone that won the orlando tiurnament from mr hatch and would have payed any price for those fowl...and was a very sharp eyed man that could recognise an ace cock....that made him a true breeder and respected in the gamecock fraternity...sanford hatch told marvin anderson that lun had the best fowl of the dark breedings anywhere and he would do well with them....at that time lun whipped leiper in a fight that lasted 6 hrs and 10 min.....both men strived on deep game fowl..as did all long heel men of the south at the turn of the century untill there deaths......
by George Beattie
I doubt very much if anyone could give you an authentic history on this great breed, named Hatch. I knew Sandy Hatch pretty well, having met him innumerable times at Flaherty's Pit, both in the old days at Laurel Hill, back of Calvary cemetery by the chemical works, and at Flaherty's later location at the Queensboro at Long Island City. I also fought against him in mains and was in his and Flaherty's company in many safaris to Tom Foley's pit in Troy, NY, but I never inquired as to the make-up of his fowl and doubt if I could have received the information if I had. A story was rampant that Hatch gave John Leiper his farm at Huntington for his start in the fowl. Leiper handled in all the mains I fought against Hatch. He was supposed to have obtained his fowl from a race track official, Mars Cassidy. The fowl all came dark red in those early days and had a hard smash. Some claimed that they were low headed sulkers, for you could knock one down and in those days of N.Y. rules, where the handlers did the counting and a mistake could cost you the battle on the final count. They could uncork a smash that could so stun, cripple or kill your cock that he could easily be counted out. I do know that when Heinie took over, a couple of years after he had obtained a yard of my Morgans from Mr. Claude Hill, that a cross between them and the Hatch blood, produced what Hendrickson, Leiper, and Bon Lang as well as John Gildersleeve, termed the best fighting cocks ever shown on the Island and the addition of the Thompson Mahogany blood which also contained a shot of Morgan, as Jim fought many mains in partnership with the Col., did much to bring them to the top, elimintating to a great extent the objectionable low headedness. It was after the introduction of the Whitehackle blood that Tom Murphy became interested and the Long Island stable was formed. From World War I until 1942 I promoted tournaments in New Jersey, starting at the Old Deaf and Dum Club at Bill Raes at Morgan station when Frank Deizer of Mason Pyle fame was President and George Beattie, V.P. until gas rationing stopped us in 1942. Hatch, Leiper, George Pogmore, Al Jones, Harold Clesham, John Gildersleeve, Hendrickson and Rekar, Ted Ireland, Chas Storey, Herb Ploch, Issy Sholk, Frank Donato, Pat and Mat Ryan, Illston, Deinzer, Bill Anderson, Beloff, Knight, Burnett, Nee Shanahan, Haussman, Kromelbine, among others, fought ay my Eastern Breeders Pit where Henry Mondin one of the fairest referees called the shots. Many of the entrants of the big pits still in operation got their start in the "Club" that operated every Friday night, and the tournaments every 2nd. Saturday night held there from Jan. 1 to July 4. In all those years only one raid and that at a different location, marred the record and that was directed at a "crap game" on a supposedly off night. I'm proud of the record I made in refining the game and furnishing honest refereeing for the sport. For many years Issy Sholk was my partner in the promoting and later giuded the destinies of the Anthracite Club of PA. At 80, I'm still in good health, and my Morgans are still winning their share in the hands of customers I placed them with.
by Frank Holcomb
It is thought the original Hatch was bred by Judge Leiper, not Sandy Hatch, as most people believe. They were supposed to be a Kearney Whitehackle and a Kearney Brown Red cross. Leiper also bred a cock from Duryea. In 1900 Hatch got some dark red, green legged fowl from Cassidy (some say Lynch). He bred a black red cock from Jerry Genet, of New York. This Genet Pyle cock was bred over the Cassidy (Lynch) hens, and this was the starting of the Hatch fowl. In 1933, Hennie Mathesius went ot work for Hatch and carried his fowl with him. These fowl were Morgan Whitehackles, some Lowman blood, and some Gull/Morgan crosses. Some of these were crossed on the Hatch fowl. Hatch gave all of his fowl to Mathesius, who later sold them to C.C. Cooke, who soon after that became a partner of E.W. Law. We must give Cooke the credit for the Hatch fowl that we have today. J.D.. Perry made the first niche with Cooke's Hatch, but that is what Cooke paid him for. It would be too long and complicated to write a complete history of all the different blood lines and different Hatches and their blood lines, but as to ours, the Holcomb Hatch, we will try to make it very brief, and not any more confusing than possible. We started out with a Ruble Hatch cock, over a Sweater McGinnis (Blue Face) hen. At the same time, we bred a Democrat cock over J.D. Perry hen. The we bred the off-spring of these two together, making their off-spring 1/4 Ruble, 1/4 Democrat, 1/4 Blue Face and 1/4 Perry. At the same time of the above breeding, we bred in another pen, a Chocolate Gray cock over a jet black Aseel hen, (directly from Pakastan, and one of the very best strains of Aseel), thus giving 1/2 Chocolate Grey and 1/2 Aseel. This we crossed over the four kinds of Hatch, giving 1/2 Hatch, 1/4 Chocolate Grey and 1/4 Aseel for the first year. Then we bred back to the Hatch saide, father over daughter and son over mother, thus giving 3/4 Hatch, 1/8 Chocolate Grey and 1/8 Aseel. We keep three pens of this combination, and this we proudly call our Holcomb Hatch.
J.D. Perry Hatch
The cocking world will be shocked and saddened by the sudden death of J.D. Perry of Muskogee, Oklahoma, on Friday morning, January 11. On his way to work at a clothing factory in Muskogee, owned by his sister, during a cold spell, he slipped on the ice, fell, and hit his head on a steel beam lying beside the walk. He got up, went in the factory, and was telling some of his fellow workers about his fall when he began to shake. He was taken to the hospital but was dead on arrival due to concussion of the brain. "J.D.," as he was generally known in the cocking world, had for about 15 or 20 years of his life a colorful career as a cocker. We have none of the details concerning his death or funeral, and what we write is from what we knew of him for the past 20 years. We believe he was born in Oklahoma and started his cocking career in that state. Somewhere along in the 1940's, he went to work for C.C. Cooke of Oklahoma City. Shortly after that, Cooke bought the Lawridge Plantation at Miccosukee, Florida from E.W. Law, one of the best known cockers in the world. According to the story told to this writer by Cooke, here is what happened. Law had been after Cooke when he came to Florida for the tournaments to buy his plantation for three of four years. Finally Cooke made him an offer of a certain amount ($50,000 as I recall), saying he would give that for the place and everything in and on it, just as it stood. Law accepted his offer and the deal was closed. Shortly after the deal was closed, the place transferred to Cooke, Law said, "Now, just as soon as I can find a place, I will come and get the chickens." "What chickens?" asked Cooke. "Why, my chickens," said Law. "You have no chickens. I bought your place with everything in and on it, and the chickens are mine," said Cooke. From that point on, Law and Cooke were at swords points and did nothing but quarrel. Cooke had Perry come down to look after things for him, including the chickens. Eventually, they settled things up and Law moved away taking with him, as I recall him telling me, 29 chickens. Cooke got all the rest, hundreds of them. How it was settled as to how many chickens Law was to keep, I don't recall (although I was told at the time), but this is the way they were divdied. Perry had access to all of Law's breeding records, and by the time the split came he knew as much about the Law chickens as Law did. Cooke purchased from Henie Mathesius, for $2,000 approximately, 125 Hatch cocks and stags, and 125 hens and pullets. These were shipped to the plantation in Florida. So, when it came time to divide up the chickens I suppose these were in the deal, too, but wether Law took any of the Hatch fowl I don't know. At any rate, J.D. represented Cooke, and he and Law would come to a yard of chickens (let's say there was a cock and four hens). First one took his choice of individuals in the pen and then the other. For instance, Law might say, "I will take the cock," and J.D. would say, "I'll take this hen." They alternated first choice from yard to yard until Law had his 29 chickens and Cooke got the rest. Then all the chickens were shipped back to Oklahoma to Cooke's yard. At the time this split occurred, I think it safe to say that E.W. Law had in his possession more good families of game fowl than any man on earth had at the time, or ever had. There were Clippers made by Law from a Pine Albany and Claret cross, there were straight Albanys, there were Pine Albanys, Clarets, Regular Greys, Perfection Greys, and literally dozens of other families and crosses accumulated by Law up to that time. 98% of all these families, of course, were shipped back to Oklahoma by Perry for Cooke. And, of course, Perry came home to take charge of the Cooke layout. The late Bobby Manziel teamed up with Cooke. With Perry breeding the fowl and feeding them for fighting, they formed what might be termed one of the most formidable cocking combines of all time, certainly of this generation. For the next several years, they were practically unbeatable using practically all Cooke fowl for their fighting. In 1946 or 1947, they won a main against Sam Head and Co. at Ruleville, Miss., for ten thousand a side in a clear cut and decisive manner using what were said to have been the first cross of Claret and Hatch. I thought at that time, and still believe, the main showed by Perry were the best long heel cocks I have ever seen. At that time, Orlando held their annual meet, St. Augustine, Pass Christian, Waco, and other large pits were in operation and it was practically a fifty-fifty bet that Perry would "be in the money" or he would win outright. Their winning record for several yearswas phenominal, and probably never will be equalled by any cocker or combination of cockers for that class of fighting, derbies and tournaments. But, as all things must, it ended eventually when Perry left to go to work for the late Mr. Halff of Leesburg, Texas. Perry was replaced by Cooke with a half-dozen different chicken men at various times, but they got nowhere. After a few years of this, Cooke closed up shop and sold his place and chickens. From then on, Perry and his chicken operations presented a mystery no noe has ever figured out with any degree of accuracy. Cooke and Perry were on friendly terms even after Perry left to go to work for Halff. While no one ever told me this, I am positive Perry could have had, free of charge, from Cooke, either during the time he worked for him or after he left, any chickens Cooke owned. And, it's a certainty Perry did have some of the same bloodlines later on. Cooke was always generous with his chickens, and he liked J.D. So, I am sure he would have given him, and no doubt did, anything he asked for. Even if that were not so, Perry had for several years supervised the shipping of hundreds of fowl sold by Cooke all over the U.S.A., and I don't know a man who got any Cooke fowl who wouldn't have been glad to give Perry any that he might have asked for. But, almost from the day he left Cooke, Perry never did any good in the chicken game. Halff was worth millions and spent it like water. He had a fabulous layout and the best chickens money and friendship could obtain. I don't recall how long Perry was with Halff before Halff died, but it must have been a couple of years. Their success was just mediocre, no better than the average chicken man who fight in the big shows. After Halff died, Perry went with Flato, another millionaire from Corpus Christi, Texas. Flato had previously built a ten acre chicken layout at Robstown, Texas that cost him $64,000. Perry lived on the place and was in complete charge of everything; the breeding, rearing, feeding, selection, etc. Money was no object. He could have anything he wanted. I feel reasonably sure had Perry told Flato of some fowl he was sure he could have done some winning with but the cost would be $50,000, Flato would have told him to go ahead and buy them. Flato wasn't in the game for money, all he wanted was to do some winning. Again, they did very little, no better than average. After about three years of this, Flato quit the game. With the passing of Bobby Manziel, Mr. Halff, Dick Kleberg, and Flato quitting the game, the men who could hire a chicken man of Perry's type were few and far between. Flato owned some sort of stove factory in Mississippi, and he told Perry to go over and see if there was any job in the factory he would like to have. If there was, it was his. There was nothing there he wanted, so for the next year or so Perry did nothing of importance. Eventually, he went to work for his sister at Muskogee. As I understood it, Perry, a Mr. Daniels, and a Dr. Schumun had a small chicken plant outside of Muskogee, and they did some fighting but not too much. Last year, Perry fed the Anderson entry for Oaklawn and tied for second money with an 8-4 score, just one fight behind the winner. It can truthfully be said the J.D. Perry was a credit to the game, clean-cut, honest and respected by all who knew him. No one questioned the fact he was a first-class feeder, breeder, and all-around game chicken man. He leaves, I believe, a wife andf two children. May he rest in peace.
Origin of the Mclean Hatch
By Harry Parr, November 1977
Interest in the breeding of game fowl strains has always run high even though the knowledge thereof seldom has any practical application. I have been asked many times to set forth the breeding of the Mclean Hatch and their offshoot, the Blue Face family. This I have done briefly in letters and countless times orally. It is amazing how twisted these accounts become. So, since this subject appears still to hold the interest of many, I have decided to write down the facts for one and all. Although Ted Mclean has been out of the “chicken business” since December of 1954 at which time he gave me all his fowl, he is still very much with us. I mention this only because I have seen too many “histories” come out when it is too late for the facts to be verified by the principles involved. Further, the following is being written with my notes and breeding records before me and this paper will be limited to first hand information. Finally, lest anyone think there is an ulterior motive involved, my chickens are my hobby. I keep only enough for my purposes and have never, nor do I ever contemplate selling them. In the early thirties, Mr. E.S. Hatch and Mr. E.T. Mclean were on the floor of the stock exchange. That Mr. Hatch gave Ted Mclean fowl is the testimony enough of their friendship, as it is well known that Mr. Hatch did not let many go. At the time, Mr. Hatch’s fowl consisted of four basic bloodlines. These were the Kearney fowl made up of the two strains Mike Kearny brought from Ireland, namely (1) the “beasy” Breasted Light Reds (Whitehackles) and (2) the Brown Breasted Reds, plus (3) the Herman Duryea fowl (commonly called Boston Roundheads) which he added when he worked for Mr. Duryea. With these bloodlines Mr. Hatch incorporated (4) the green leg Thomson (Jim Thomson) fowl. I might say here that from then till now, the strain made up of these four bloodlines is what Ted and I call the “straight stuff”. In those days virtually all the fighting in the North East was done in inch and a quarter, heavy, slow heels, which is not surprising considering the cockers prime requisite, was gameness. It followed the toughness and power was high priorities and the Hatch fowl had all these in abundance. While they surely did not compile a great winning record, they were admired by name for these attributes. Fortunately, Ted Mclean kept this set of priorities or the “straight stuff’ would have long since gone by the boards. For in addition to these attributes, the Mclean Hatch are poor cutters, low headed dumb fighters, that usually take two or three shots before unleashing one of their patented hay makers. Obviously as the heels got faster their ability to win lessened, so they are useless now if fought pure. Their value then, is only as an ingredient to produce battle cocks. Ted Mclean bought “Gamecock Farm” in Maryland and built one of the best all around chicken plants I have ever seen. He gave me a trio of his Hatch fowl in 1948 and shortly thereafter I bought a farm within a short distance from his. I suppose I was at Gamecock Farm a couple of times a week and everyday during fighting season, because we fought a heavy schedule and chickens were almost always in the cock house for conditioning. At least one experimental cross was tried each year and many produced superior battle cocks, but as soon as one quit, all chickens containing that blood, came under the axe. I saw an awful lot of chickens killed and when he retired from the game in 1954 and only the “straight stuff” remained. All of these fowl were given to me.
THE BLUE FACE
In the spring of 1949, Ted McLean had two beautifully bred "straight" stags, one of which he wanted to breed. They were full brothers, well made, green legged, weighed about four ten, and you really could not have told them apart except one was a roundhead. His wing clip was 48-90; the square comb, 48-96. Ted decided to heel them up and fight them which we did in his pit in the barn. The square comb proved to be the better fighter, cutter, and when he blinded the roundhead, Ted said he had seen enough and to cut the head off the roundhead. Well, I had handled the roundhead and when he was in my hands you could tel all he wanted to do was get at the other stag. After being pitted, he would search and soon as contact was made, explode. So, I said I would take him home and see what I could do. After a couple of weeks he regained the sight of one eye and was soon back in good health.
I bred this stag two years and one day Ted asked me if I would mind sending him to Lun Gilmore. Lun wanted a cock and at that time Ted dod not have a really good one to spare. I shipped the cock and later learned that Lun and Pete Frost bred him to a hen that Ted had previously given to Pete. This hen was 47-65, by Green Leg Cock no. 2, the "straight stuff" out of hen no. 81 which was a Morgan Whitehackle from Heinie Mathesius. (You see none of the "straight stuff" on the hen side ever got out.)
Prior to this Ted had given Pete Frost Green Leg Cock no. 53 which became the sire of the Frost "Cherries". They had also bred this cock to hen 47-65 and sent us a stag from that mating which we called, after Lun, the "Alligator Cock". Sweater McGinnis was involved in their fighting activities at this time, and it was from these three birds that the Blue Face emerged, i.e. Hen 47-65, Cock 53, Cock 48-90.
The next time I saw Sweater was January 1958 in Orlando. He told me these "Blue Face" were the gamest chickens he had ever seen and that he kept the seed stock pure just to make battle crosses. He asked me if I would let him have another cock and I sent him Cock 57-340. (I was fortunate to get this cock back after Sweater death thanks to Willis Holding.) He also told me not to worry, that he didn't let the "straight" ones go but that they all fought under the name of "Blue Face". At one time, his favorites were one quarter Blue Face, one quarter Regular Grey and one half Leiper, bred in various combinations. Like all of us, he experimented with many crosses and blends in an effort to produce superior battle cocks, but recognized the value of keeping the seed stock pure.
The McLean Hatch come both green legged and yellow legged, single comb and pea-comb. The hens are whearon or "dirty" partridge, and the cocks red. They vary in shades from dark mahogany to light reds with white under hackles and white in wings and tail. The latter are usually single comb yellow legged, reverting back to the Kearny Whitehackles. Most of the cocks' breasts are flecked with brown and quite a few come with lemon hackles at the shoulders.
The Blue face are all green legged with single or pea-combs. Hens are dark wheaton or partridge and cocks run more to the mahogany red. Most have brown feathers in the breast but few come lemon hackled. There are no exceptions to the above.
In summation, I would like to say I have tried to adhere strictly to the purpose of this paper being the orgin and make-up of these two strains. I have intentionally omitted all extraneous information, details of breeding, fighting and the like, the inclusion of which would fill a book.
I hope this answers the questions of those who are interested.
Sometime in the 1970's, Sherll Penny hired a man from OK by the name of Jimmy Johnson to come down and work for him. He stayed for 4 years with Mr Penny, setting up brood pens and fighting roosters with Mr Penny. Durning that time what they called the Left Nose hatch came about, they named them this as this is how they marked them. I do not know the amount of each, but this is what was bread into and set as a family by Mr Johnson, Ruble Hatch, blueface hatch, Mcleane Hatch, and claret, the man that gave me this information said that once set as a family they carried 1/8 claret, but he didnot know the amounts of the 3 hatch familys, Mr Penny did very well with this family, as they were deep game, fantastic fighting fowl,, once he decieded to start selling them, he started calling them Penny hatch instead of Left Nose hatch.
by L. C. Guneau
This is written in reply to the many requests for a true and authentic history of the modern strain of pit game fowl known as Pink Hatch. Before going into further details let me say this; neither I or this strain of fowl need publicity. I have never raised enough of them to supply the demand and still have enough of them left for my own use. In fact I could sell all of them I care to raise without a single line of advertising in any magazine. As to their orgin I think it best at least more interesting, to describe some of the fowl that went into their make-up. I could just say they are the result of a Dan Tracy Pyle/Long Island Roundhead cross, but it is not that simple, for the Long Island Roundheads are the net result of considerable crossing and blending, also the Tracys carry a wee bit of outside blood. So, to just say they are the result of a simple cross does not really tell the full story. Unfortunately I am unable to give as much information on the history of the Tracy Irsih Pyles as I can on the Long Island Roundheads, altho I have made several trips to Ireland in an effort ot run down as much information as possible on these wonderful and beautiful fowl. The Tracys are about the 5th or 6th strain of Pyle colored chickens I have tried crossing on Roundheads in the past half century. Briefly I crossed my good Allen Roundheads on Travelers and got dunghills, I crossed them on Blue Boones and got dunghills, I also crossed them on Lundy Wild Cat Blues and got good battle cocks in long heels. Don't know what they would have done in short heels as I was fighting in long heels at the time, as most of the above experimenting goes back almost fifty years. As the years went by I added new blood to my Allens by way of Cowan's Alabama Roundheads, and a shot of the Big Four Roundheads which were at one time fought extensively along the Ohio River in KY, WV, OH and points west. But I always kept my Allens basically Allen in looks and performance for I liked their smart heads-up style of fighting and their deadly cutting. After coming to New York I added one quarter Sandy Hatch, set them at that stage and have fought them in both long and short heels ever since. So now it comes out that the Pink Hatch have exactly one eighth Sandy Hatch in them, which obviously comes thru the Long Island Roundhead side. One can see at a glance that the little Tacy cock is much smaller, also slimmer in his body and lower stationed, while the Pink Hatch is larger, taller, more robust in his body and a little more red in his coloring. Some of the pure Tracys come almost pure white, but the Pinks invariably have deeper colors. I even get a red once in awhile, and each season I get two or three grays, but will explain later about the grays. The original Amesbury Gray cock, a 17 time winner, whose blood was infused inot the Dan Tracy Pyles when Frank Welsh, Dave's uncle, lost every Dan Tracy he had except one pullet. After the original cross he bred the stags back to the old hen for about nine years, each year cutting down the outside blood by one-half until (genetically) there was something on the order of one-five hundreds-and twelofth part Amesbury Gray in the pure Dan Tracys. The Gray color rarely shows up in the pure Tracys, but will crop out once in a while when new blood is infused. I have noticed I get more grays from the Long Island Roundhead crosses than any other. One thing is very evident, the grays are very well built, and are power cocks, and I can see no difference in their ability. If the Mendell law is correct, when a color or any other characteristic goes recessive it will remain dormant but not extinct, and will crop up occasionally and infinitum or endlessly that part of the theory I can understand, for it is happening every year right in front of my eyes, but what I don't understand is why the recessive comes out more often in one strain or cross than another. Insofar as I know there has never been a drop of gray blood put into the Allens or Cowans, or Big Fours; or hatch either for that matter, notwithstanding some of the writers who have had the Hatch coming every color of the rainbow. The Amesbury Grays were a local strain, bred and fought around Amesbury, Mass. and I understand they were blend of Billy Anderson Tassel, Arch Ruport's Kearney and perhaps other bloddlines of which I am not aware. One reason I bring up the background of the Amesbury Grays is that they had a tassel, which the Tracys inherited, and which gradually dissapeared, and now they are always smooth heads, but the gray color still crops up. Perhaps some of our geneticists can explain why the tassel, which was also recessive finally dissapeared but the gray color never did? But, whatever their makeup, these Amesbury Grays sure must have been some chicken. Dave Taylor, who had the original Amesbury Gray cock a 17x winner, told me that the cock won nine fights as a stag and eight as a cock and was never beaten in the pit. He said his uncle Frank Welsh told him that he never regretted putting the Gray blood into his Dan Tracys, for it sure did help bring them back, as he was about finished with only one hen left after a dog raid on his yards. But that is only one chapter of the Dan Tracy Pyle story. This strain of game fowl have been bred as a family and fairly true to color and type for at least 250 years, maybe longer. During that time they have fought, and been known as champions in many countries, and have been known by several different names. Dan Tracy is merely the name they go under in America. In Ireland they were known as Galway Pyles and several others of which I am unaware. King Charles of England was their originator, and it was he who took them to Ireland. Today nearly every cocker in Ireland has Pyles, no doubt all descendants of this one strain. I saw some real good ones fight over there, but the real good ones had been beefed up with infusions of other good Irish strains. It seems the Kearney infused Pyle blood into his Brown Red Whitehackles and it still shows up occasionally. I recently fought a pure Mike Kearney in the Eastern Pit few weeks after he had fought in Alaska in long heels, and he has several pure white feathers in his breast. Some of these pure Mike Kearneys come a light buckskin tan, almost the same as Pyle color. I wish I could tell you more about the Dan Tracy Pyle side of my Pink Hatch, but I do not wish to pose as an expert where I know so little. Of one thing I am sure, there is not another strain on this earth like them, and altho they are not strong enough in their purity to be good pit cocks against the modern power blends, I hope to always have some of them around, for they are the proudest and most likable fowl I have ever owned, and for blending or infusing into a stronger strain they are pure gold. I have never offered any of the pure Dan Tracys for sale and don't intend to. Most people today want a big, strong, aggressive cock that will tear right in there and fight like a tiger, and they don't have time or patience enough to understand or appreciate these little Pyles cocks from our of the past. It would make me feel real bad to know they were in the hands of the wrong person and were being treated badly. Some twenty odd years ago I got a pair of Dr. Robinson Pyles from Ed Devonald of New Jersey. The cock was a small peahead, or low comb Pyle cock, well set up, but low stationed. The hen was a big robust hen that was the toughest hen I ever owned. She was a straight comb with dark legs. I infused this Dr. Robinson Pyle blood into some of my Long Island Roundheads and got good pit cocks, and they were desperately game, in fact too game for their own good as they would kill each other off while still very young, which made them very hard to raise. The stags would start fighting as soon as they could stand up, and keep it up until trimming time at which stage there would not be too many good ones left. I fought several of the Dr. Robinson Pyle/Long Island Roundheads cocks in long heels down along the Ohio river and at Cobert Riggsby's pit in Catlettsburg, KY, and along the Kanawha river during the 2nd World War when I went down to Charleston, WV to take over the foremanship of the spray paint assembly in the Naval Ordinance plant where the 11:75 rockets were in production. These Pyle/R.H. proved very good in long heels and I fought them as long as I was down there. After the war I came back to New York and picked up my business here, which had been run for me by a friend. When I brought my chickens back to New York I brought back a few of the Pyle/R.H. crosses and kept them around for a good many years. But they were so hard to raise I had just about ran out on them when Bob McGarrity of Atlantic City, N.J. gave me a pair of the pure Dan Tracys which he had gotten from Frank Welsh some time previously, before Frank Welsh passed away. This would be about the 5th or 6th strain of Pyle fowl I had tried crossing on my Roundheads over a period of a half century. I don't know why I kept trying, unless I had had partial success with the Wild Cat Blue Roundhead cross, and with the Dr. Robinson Roundhead cross, aside from the fact that a Pyle chicken always fascinated me. Anyway, I sent the pair of Dan Tracy Pyles up to Carl Fauske of Ill. who had purchased Long Island Roundheads from me several years ago, and told him to cross Pyles on the Long Island Roundheads for me. He did, and that was the beginning of the Pink Hatch. The name Pink hatch started as a joke, but the name has stuck, and it is no joke, any more. I have tried different percentage infusions of these two strains, but have found the original cross was the best, and that is the way I have set the strain, and have bred and fought them that way for several years. They now come very uniform as to size and shape and ability. As stated before I get a very few off-colored ones, but I never offer for sale one of the grays, or the occasional reds. I fight them myself for a customer might not understand. As to the exact bloodlines of the Pink Hatch it would figure out about as follows: one-half Long Island Roundhead, which strain carries one-quarter Sandy Hatch. One-half Dan Tracy Pyle, which carries one-five hundredth or so of Amesbury Gray, which said Dan Tracy Pyle are about as pure as any strain you will find today. If you think this hot air, just sit down and figure out how much Amesbury Gray blood will remain after 9 years of continuous line breeding back to the old hen, or figure as some breeders are inclined to do, the hen will throw ninety percent of the blood of the offspring, which would reduce the percent of Gray blood down to astronomical figures. But the gray stag or two still coming along each season. This experience should prove interesting to the young chap who may think he can breed cold blood out of a strain of pit game fowl. In fact, it would be more difficult to breed out the dunkie blood than it is to breed out the Amesbury Gray! Being a game family will do no harm to another game family, but the cold blood will utterly destroy them. I will not go into a long windy yarn about how great the Pink Hatch are, but will say only that they are now proving themselves all over the world in all kinds of weapons. One of their more likable traits is their good temper. They are always happy, easy to work with, and very intelligent. Just the opposite of the Dr. Robinson Pyle cross. The latter proved mean and hard to handle from the day they were brought in and trimmed, adn they never seemed to get over it, no matter how patient and gentle I was with them. This trait I could never understand, for the pure Dr. Robinson Pyle were not nasty to handle, and we all know how good natured and intelligent a well bred Roundhead is. So there is another riddle for the geneticists to chew on. I have been unable to come up with the answer, and the Lord knows I have tried, for I always had a burning desire to have a strain of Pyles that I could depend on, and that could win. And so, after a half century of trying I have come up with just about what I have been lookng for. I am holding my Pink Hatch at exactly the proportions described above and I can see no need for any change in the forseeable future. They come large and robust, strong and well set up, some of them weigh over six pounds, but most are in the good derby range. This my friends is the best I can give you on the history of the Pink hatch, and I hope it may have proved interesting to you. After so many requests, and so much interest being shown I think you are entitled to it, so I have done my best.
By E. T. Piper
Mr. E. S. Hatch of long island, new York, passed a way sometime in April, we know none of the details, except that he died suddenly, supposedly from a heart attack. He was very close to 80 years of age, looked less than 70,
While Mr. hatch has been known in gamefowl circles in the north ending neighborhood of 50 years, it is only in recent years that he has become, more or less, nationally known as a breeder, this is, due to his condition with the long island entry at Florida tournaments ,and also to the fact that he is fowl have been become commercialized, to a considerable extent, in the past years,prior to that time, it was considers something of a accomplishmentto get a hold of a Hatch cock, close free and an associate for about the only was able to get to the first base,
A great many different mean have worked for Mr. Hatch as feeders and or fowl caretakers. It was in the very early 30s that Heinie Mathesius went with him. Heating various fowl with him from New Jersey to the hatch estate, from that come on more experimenting and crossing took place there, while he may be our imagination is seem to us that Mr. hatch from that time until his death took less interest in his fowl than formerly, he was very fond of Heinie, he said he did more work than three average mean in was careful and consistent about everything, and an excellent feeder, still it seemed to us Mr. Hatch did not guard them so carefully from then on or display the same interest in him that he had,
Some claims the Hatch fowl, with inffusions and crosses of the Mathesius fowl, were much improved while many others denied, certainly they work changed and changed a lot after he took over.
The first we saw of these were back about 20 years ago at Troy, New York, we sawVM at the same place in mains and tournaments a good many times after that,from the end up to about 1932 or so .they were mostly very stout powerful built dark Red with yellow Legs, both stright and peacomb and a whallop like a trip hammer, many of them were low head, dumb and clumsy, but, win or lose ,the next year and next they would look the same and fight the same , many good men who saw them would give an eye tooth to get one,and did not come close, in nearly every main, he would show from 1 to 2 or three, mostly real dark gray and with green legs and pea comb, it anything, they were poorer fighters than the others, but nothing gamer ever we have to. You had to kill one to beat them,or he would count you out. These are what are known now at Hatch greenlegs.
We may to Mr. Hatch at the claymore tournament a year ago, he told a then that the foundation of his fowl were his green legs, which he got from Jim Cassidy of Huntington, long island, New York, many years ago, and some black Red and he got from the famous Harry Genet of somewhere around in New York, many years ago, he had some fowl that became famous, we had heard of the Genet pyles for years but never heard of the black reds until Mr. Hatch mentioned them.
Mr. Hatch got a lot of fowl from Cassidy over a considerable length of time, yards, trios, cocks, etc. he did not know just what they were, but they were said to be Kearney fowl. Casey was one of the Kearney clique around New York for many years.
By H. Duff
Henry Wortham was working for Jack Walton at the time Jack decided to sell out. Henry knew Manuel Massey who was feeding for Paul Harvey, a professional wager from Odessa, Texas. Henery asked Manuel to form a plan with him in order to get Paul to buy the fowl. Manuel talked Paul into purchasing 12 cocks from Jack. Henry tied pieces of string on the cages of 12 double barrel aces. When Paul and Manuel selected the 12 cocks, Manuel picked only the ones with strings on the cages that Henry planted. This was unknown to both Jack Walton and Paul Harvey. Aftr all 12 cocks were selectd by Manuel, Jack told Paul that he didn't know about Manuel's feeding ability but he selected the 12 best cocks he owned, besides the brood cocks! Manuel Massey got the cocks ready for the sunset tournament. They won easily. Paul Harvey and Manuel won several other big tournaments shortly threreafter. This made Paul and Massey the top cock fighter that year. This all happened in the early 1952. The wins convinced Paul to purchase the rest of Jack Walton's fowl. Paul paid Jack the sum of $20,000. Paul Harvey hired professional union carpenters to build pens for the fowl. Carpenters worked around the clock getting the pens on Paul's estate ready. When the pens were completed, Paul and Massey drove to Dallas with boxes for the cocks and u-haul trailors for the hens and little ones. During this time Henery was selling to others some good Walton Hatch to others unknown to Paul. I had heard that some of these cockfighters were Clarence Stewart, Ray Hoskins, Richard Bates, and the Everett brothers of Hood County Red fame. Harold Wells ended up with the "Bone Crusher" cock which was one of the original 12 cocks. Harold started a family of Bone Crushers that became a major force at the Jal N.M. pit ran by Tommy Booth. Over a period of 20 to 30 years Paul Harvey sold many Walton Hatch. At the time he decided to sell all the Walton fowl. Bill Patterson bought the best of what he had left. Bill still raises and fights the Walton Hatch fowl. The Walton Hatch, if inbred over a long period will come spangle with pearl colored legs, red eyes, and large bones. Their temperament is nasty. The Walton fowl will put gameness and hitting power into any breed. Also they will add bone size if your breed is coming small. To finish the story, Paul Harvey bought the Percy Flowers blue face bloodline and continued to win derbies until his death. Bill Lisenbee purchased the remaining Blueface bloodline fowl at Paul's death. If you ever owned a Walton Hatch you will never stop breeding a few because of their gameness and tremendous power. If you have any further questions about this rare breed of Hatch, contact me (NOT The Game Fowl Connection but the author H. Duff). I am truly glad that I was part of the Jack Walton fowl history.
by W.T. Johnson
Some say that the original E.S. Hatch blood was bred by Hatch's friend Judge Leiper who got them originally from a man in Huntington, Long Island. They were supposed to be a Kearney Whitehackle, Kearney Brown Red cross. Leiper also bred a 4.12 ginger colored cock from Duryea for several years. Hatch told Ed Piper that around 1900 he got some dark red, green legged fowl from a Mr. Cassidy (or Lynch) of Huntington, Long Island, NY, and later several times through the years got more of that blood. They were dead game, hard hitting and tough.
He bred a black red cock from Harry Genet of NY, breeder of the Genet Pyles over the Cassidy (some say Lynch) hens. This was the foundation blood and Hatch made many crosses and it is said that at the time he gave them to Mathesius none of the pure original stock was left. Hatch was well acquainted with Mike and Harry Kearney, Jim Thompson, Joe Crossin, J.W. E. Clark and Simon Flaherty. It is said they often loaned each other brood fowl.
When Jim Thompson died, Hatch got the choicest of his Mahoganies. When Mr. Clark died, Hatch got the best of what he had left. These came mostly Roundhead and were probably part Duryea which contained Boston Roundhead blood. Hatch and T.W. Murphy were close friends and he had some of the Murphy blood. He crosses Foley's Gingers (that Murphy gave him after buying all Foley supposedly had). They quit and discarded them. He bred a Stegmore cock from Bradford, then discarded those. Clarets and others from Dave Ward were bred. Blood from Morris O'Connell was added as well as good Morgan blood from Billy Clarkin. He bred fowl from Simon Flaherty.
Most of his cocks were yellow legged and dark reds. However, some came green legged and came all shades of red, some a dark red, some a rustly red, some a brownish red and others a sort of maroon color. They were strong, hard hitting cocks, not only dead game, but tough and could take a lot more than they could dish out as many of them were low headed, dumb and poor cutters.
In 1931, Hennie Mathesius went ot work for Hatch and carried his fowl with him, which were Morgan Whitehackles, from Hill, of New Jersey, some Lowman blood and some Gull/Morgan crosses. Some of these were crossed on the Hatch fowl and though their progeny looked about the same, they fought better. They lost a little of their power, but became higher headed, better cutters and won a larger percent of fights. Some think they lost their extreme gameness, but I think this was the case only in some yards. Hatch gave all his fowl to Mathesius, who sold them to C.C. Cooke, of Oklahoma, who soon became partner of E.W. Law.
History of the Karachi Hatch
by: Eddie L. Araneta
I have been asked many times to come up with the detailed make-up of the Karachi Hatch. After giving it some thought and considering that this bloodline has been around for 30 years, maybe this is about the time to tell all on how the Karachi Hatch came about and how it is bred for 30 years after.
It all started in 1964 when I began acquiring cocks from Billy Ruble. At that time, Billy Ruble was on top of the world as far as cockfighting was concerned in the United States. Billy was winning in most of the major tournament and derbies dating back to 1960. What I like best about the Bily Ruble cocks is that they were extremely good cutters and had the wallop of a mule when they hit you and they would keep on fighting up to their last drop of blood .
In 1966, I invited Billy Ruble to come to the Philippines to fight in the International. At that time and up to 1968, the international fights were always a main of Duke Hulsey against all and thereafter, a series of big hack fights. Billy brought with him 40 cocks. In that batch there were 12 brothers that were marked Right Out-Left Nose (ROLN). They were sleek looking and lemonhackle red in color. Most were peacombed and green legged. According to Billy, they were 3/4 Hatch (Mclean & Blue Face) , 1/8 Whitehackle and 1/8 Claret. In that International event, we fought 22 times and overall we scored 14 wins 1 draw & 7 losses. We fought 10 of the ROLN cocks and they scored 7 wins and 3 losses. We scored 2-1 against Duke Hulsey and 3-1 against Joe Goode who was also here in the Philippines. The ROLN cocks were awesome to say the least. They fought real well and smart and everytime they hit, they hurt the other cocks badly. The 22 fights that we had were fought in a span of 3 weeks in Araneta an in the old Paranaque cockpit now known as Roligon.
Up to that point in time, I was not too keen in breeding as we were doing real well with Billy's cocks. However, in 1967 there was a ban on importation of cocks and I was left with no other recourse but to breed from this end. In 1967, Billy sent me 8 hens and they were bred individually to the ROLN cocks. At that time, I did not mind the fact that a brother-sister mating was not advisable. The pullets from yard A were then bred to the brood cock in yard B. The pullets in Yard B were bred to the brood cock in Yard C and so on in the other yards. The pullets from one yard were never bred to their daddies. Using the same system, I bred the stags from one yard to the original hens from the other yards. These breeding yards is the makeup of the Karachi Hatch 30 years ago.
From 1968 to 1984, a span of 14 years , the Liza galore cocks have won a sizeable number of derbies fighting predominantly as the Karachi Hatch. In late 1984, I had to take a timeout from the rigors of derby fighting as my asthma ailment was not getting any better and attending cockfighting became a no-no as far as my doctor was concerned. After a year and a halh though , I was given the go signal by my doctor to attend cockfights.
During that year and a half lull, I thought It best to blend my Karachi Hatch with some other Hatch family. I had also in mind some Kelsos, Roundheads and Clarets. As a starter , I called up my good friend, Ray Alexander as I wanted some of his Lacy Roundheads and Griffin Clarets.
Ray informed me that he had a friend in New Mexico that was fighting Ruble cocks that were bred to some of his Roundhead-Clarets. Ray sent me two trios that were Claret-Roundheads. They were good at 1/2 Karachi-1/2 Claret Roundhead. The 3/4 Karachi and Ray's 1/4 were also good., but the best were the 7/8 Karachi-1/8 ClaretRoundhead. Ray Alexander saw some of them fought in the 1992 May International and he liked them a lot.
In 1995, we ( my cousin Bomboy and I) were introduced to Larry Powell by Mac White and it turned out the Larry Powell was the same man from New Mexico that Ray Alexander said had Rubles. We invited Larry Powell to come over for the 1995 International Derby. larry informed us on the authenticity of his Rubles. The same year, we acquired 2 Ruble trios from Larry and they have been blended to my Karachi Hatch.
We have to go back a year before,. in 1994, my good friends Esting Teopaco and Peping Cojuanco had with them a top American cocker named Bob Howard. The Bob Howard cocks were Murphys, Kelsos, and Hatch. Bob informed me that his Hatch blood were either Mcleans or Billy Ruble Hatch. There was one particular cock in the yards of Esting Teopaco that was a brood cock from Bob that was a pure Ruble. That cock was loaned to me by Esting and I had that cock in the farm for 6 months . I named the cock Uncle Bob. I bred Uncle Bob to my pure Karachi hens.
As of to date, the Karachi Hatch 30 years after is more or less bred this way. It is 60% Billy Ruble (ROLN), 15% Larry Powell Ruble, 15% Bob Howard Ruble and 10% Ray Alexander Griffin Claret -Lacy Roundhead .
So we have acquired other bloodlines from Johnny Jumper, Dan Gray, Mac White , Mike Glover & Donnie Joe Sparks. Their cocks were bred to our Karachi Hens and their hens to our Karachi cocks. The 50-50 cross is what we fight in the regular Araneta circuit derbies. Somehow we feel that our Karachi Hatch when bred to other good bloodlines enhances the capabilities of both sides.
Johnny Jumper said this to me last year, "Eddie, our friend Mike Glover wants to bring some of your Rubles back home". That should pretty much tell you what they are today. Hey, 30 years is quite a long time!
Why is the fowl named KARACHI?
by: Liza Galore December 6, 2004
As for the name Karachi, there is really no relation as to the origin of this bloodline. The are huge number of misconceptions as to why the name Karachi came to be. There is no truth that this line can be traced back to Pakistan, China or Japan. if you have read the link to the Liza Galore website, we would find that in 1966, Mr. Eddie Araneta invited Mr. Billy Ruble to the Philippines to fight in an International Derby. Mr. Billy Ruble brought with him some 40 cocks in which 12 were full brothers that were marked Right Out - Left Nose (ROLN). They were sleek lemon hackled specimen, most were pea-combed sporting Green legged.
it is always a habit on the part of Ka Eddie Araneta to name his cocks especially the good ones that he uses for his breeding program. So he named these 12 full brothers that were ROLN with names starting with letter "K" like KAWKI, KOFAX, KISTON and so on....10 of these brothers were eventually fought, 7 Won and 3 lost their fight. Two of the 12 were never fought and one named KARACHI were a very beautiful specimen. However, he appeared to be somewhat slightly short and low in station and Ka Eddie decided not to fight him.
So in 1967, when Ka Eddie Araneta decided to breed these ROLN brothers, Billy Ruble sent him 8 hens to breed with. He single mated each hen to the 7 ROLN winners and one was mated to the one that named "KARACHI". So all of the offsprings that came out were soon screened, and most of the matings gave him satisfactory results but the ones that produced and sired by the one named KARACHI came out exceptionally beautiful and gave him the best winning percentage.
From then on, he continued to breed from this favorite cock named "KARACHI" to the very end and in honor and memory of him...all his progenies were now named and called after him as the "KARACHI HATCHES."
So there...happy cocking to all!
- McLean Hatch
- Blueface Hatch
- Gilmore Hatch
- Penny Hatch
- Pink Hatch
- Sandy Hatch
- Perry Hatch
- Karachi Hatch
- Walton Hatch
- Holcomb Hatch
- Garrard Hatch